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Should Georgia Officially Acknowledge Slavery?

A proposed Senate resolution aims to “[express] remorse for the state’s past practice of condoning involuntary servitude.” Tell us what you think of State Sen. Barry Loudermilk’s proposed legislation.

 

A practice that ended in the 19th century is the focus of legislation being put forth in the 21st century.

Last week, State Sen. Barry Loudermilk, R-Cassville, held a press conference to announce his filing of Senate Resolution 28, a resolution that aims to “[express] remorse for the state's past practice of condoning involuntary servitude,” or slavery. A copy of the resolution is attached to this article in PDF form.

According to Loudermilk, passage of the resolution would mark the first official acknowledgement of the injustices of slavery and serve as “an official expression of regret and remorse for the condoning of the institution of slavery in Georgia.

“The injustices brought on by the institution of slavery in our state's past stands in stark opposition to the principles on which this nation was founded. According to our founding documents, the sole responsibility of government is to preserve the God-given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” Loudermilk said in a news release. “The filing of [the] Freedom Resolution represents an important first step for our state, in recognizing the reprehensible act of slavery, and to bring reconciliation among the people of this great state.

“I am optimistic that my colleagues in both chambers will recognize the significance of this resolution, and we will work together in a strong bipartisan effort to pass it in this legislative session,” Loudermilk added. “Many people have worked together in drafting this resolution, including legislators, Georgia citizens and members of the clergy.”

According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, this isn’t the first time a Georgia lawmaker has attempted to get a resolution like this passed. Then-Senate President Pro Tem Eric Johnson, R-Savannah, made such a push in 2007 and 2009, while black House Democrats have attempted too; none of the proposals were passed by the General Assembly.

Do you agree with State Sen. Barry Loudermilk’s resolution expressing remorse for the state’s role in slavery? Should lawmakers approve a resolution that condemns the now-illegal practice? Why or why not?

Share what’s on your mind with us, and then return here to see what your neighbors in Paulding, Douglas and Cobb have said.

Related Topics: Georgia General Assembly, barry loudermilk, and speak out

Mike Johnson

7:25 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

Sen. STOP! It's OVER! What an utterly useless piece of legislation!

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Pamela

9:58 am on Thursday, February 7, 2013

Sen. Barry Loudermilk is a fool! Yes we hate that there was slavery for both Indians, Women and Men of all races that included murder, rape and starvation...LEARN by it dont go back 150 years ago!!!! Just as the Germans learned about the Holocaust...stopped it and moved on. OK, the real question????? Do we have to formally apologize for slavery here in the USA because of our forefathers???? NO!!!! Slavery has be abolished and is no longer legal in the United States for 150 years now... Should I apologize for my grandfather killing a man when he was a young man???? OR Should I apologize for my cousin raping several girls in his younger days because that is what you are saying that we have to apologize for someone else doing an injustice...How CRAZY is that???????????

Paulding County resident and parent

7:45 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

No, what is past is past. Leave it alone and get on with the more important issues of OUR day - the economy!

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Deanna Riddlespur

8:43 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

Cobb County Resident Parent and Grandparent..
I think it would be great for Ga to admit to the horrible wrong-doings of the past! Its an embarrassment to be in Ga and to know that the Old planter Elite blood runs thick in this state. It would be nice to hear the government that Ga participated and elongated the institution of slavery. Some of our young people do not know and do not understand and when they grow up, Grown people have not forgotten about it. Yes Ga should Condemn the practice of slavery and do everything that they can to put a stop to it world wide, I would be on the sidelines to help in anyway that I can..

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Julie Camp

2:11 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Embarrassing? No, what is embarrassing is that we still have slavery. We have it here in GA. Just recently, a girl was rescued during a traffic stop here in GA. Why not work toward saving the lives of those who need it NOW!

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Joli

2:35 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

No, everyone needs to move on and move past the fact that Africa sold their own people into slavery for the money the Europeans would pay. They were shipped all over the world. Let Africa who caused the most slavery admit their wrong doing. The ancestors of the Africans need to admit they were wrong. And that is not going to happen. The African Americans need to release it was their people who sold them into slavery. Had they not sold them then this would not be an issue now. The real travesty is the Europeans came here and took this land from the American Indians and forced them into slavery, killed them, and relocateds them to waste land where they could not survive. The Cherokee Indians of Georgia were made to relocate to Oklahoma. See Trail of Tears. This is where the Europeans of Georgia were wrong. My great-grand mother was one of them mader to walk to Oklahoma. Lucky for me she survived, married an Irish immigrant, and came back to Georgia.

A waste of Legislature. A waste of time. Senator Loudermilk needs to find something to do with his time if this is all he can come up with. No one living in Georgia owns slaves or has owned slaves. The slave owners are all dead and gone. The sins of your relatives do not pass one to you.

Brenda Streetman

8:43 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

We need more on what is going on today than what happenned in the past. We had no control on what went on then but you could help with what is going on now.

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Bill sparks

9:05 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

Rome ( America) is burning and we are worried about this?

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Bill Allen

9:15 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

Slavery ended 150 years ago. My great grandfather owned slaves. Why should I apologize for something he did and I couldn't control. Go dig him up and ask him to apologize. Think about this. Those that were brought here from Africa should thank God their ancestors came over. Look what is going on in Africa today. Still slavery, murder and terror. I'm glad my brothers in Christ are here and safe.

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Duncan

9:33 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

Non-sensical self flagellation..., when will it ever end?

Can I please hear support for condemnation of the slavery Muslim Islamic countries have practiced against sub-Saharan Africans and others for centuries, even into the present?

No? Why not?

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Bill

10:06 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

In addition to writing to both Loudermilk and Wilkerson about this foolishness I have also written (below) to the NAACP Chairman and I urge readers to write to all 3 people on this issue. You can see copies of all 3 of my outgoing post cards on either of the below linked sites.

RE: State Apology for Slavery:

To: Deane Bonner, Chairman
NAACP of Cobb County
P.O. Box 598
Marietta, GA 30061

Dear Chairman Bonner:

I am writing today to both State Senators Loudermilk and Wilkerson to express my displeasure and annoyance at their attempt to have the State apologize for something that took place 150 years ago. I have told both that while they are not in my district that I would go out of my way to support any
opposition to them in a primary.

If the apology is made be advised that it does not speak for me. Neither I nor my family ever owned slaves and we do NOT owe anyone an apology!


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Ann

10:55 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

I completely agree and will recommend your website to "impeach obama" to others. This hateful assult fromt the left must stop!

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Pam J

1:40 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Um, Ann, did you notice that Senator Loudermilk is a Republican? And if Obama gets impeached, won't Joe Biden be President? Will you be happy with that?

Jaime

10:14 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

That's crazy. Spend our tax money on this stuff. I for one am sad it happened. We would have a lot less people in this country if it didn't. You can't change what THEY did, all you can do is try to be a good person all by yourself. If our great great grandparents did something wrong...that was their bad. WHO exactly do we owe the apology to? The blacks who were brought over and are dead? Or their ancestors who are now citizens of the great USA?

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Jerry S. Donehoo

10:53 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

The Scotch Irish came to this country as bond severvants. They sold their services for passage to America. The early Irish came here as slaves. They were rounded up on the streets of Ireland, put on prison ships and sold as slaves here in America. I am not complaining because that is how my family got here, but my question is, who has apologized from my families enslavement?

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Joe Bozeman

1:21 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Jerry,
I am not sure, but I believe you might be my cousin. Am I right? Was your Great Great Grandmother named Scott?

Melinda Paris

11:56 am on Monday, January 21, 2013

Today I will say and I have said before, I'm sorry that there was slavery, HOWEVER in this economy, I would like to see the legislatures get with the job they have been elected to do, without going off on these detours, I, personally did not own a slave, nor did anyone in my family. Anyone due an apology has deceased, so there is no one NOW to apologize to, unfortunately, WE cannot change history and there was alot of wrong doings not just in this area. It's 2013, State law makers, you are trying to distract the current issues. We have folks living in the streets starving in Georgia, I believe you should be worrying about those folks, and they are all colors, from all walks of life. Get WITH YOUR JOB OR GET OUT!

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Kenya Weaver

5:00 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Melinda:
I totally agree with you. Enough said about this subject, Next?

Susan w Mounts

1:10 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Should we not start with the American Indians. ......? Good grief. .....we can't undo the past. .....just learn from it. ..don't repeat the wrongs. ....focus on the future and STOP pouring salt into old wounds. ...It is so simple practice the Golden Rule towards all humans. Get over it. ..get on with life. ..just do the right thing.

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Joe Bozeman

1:10 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

This is ridiculous, what good would an apology do now? The lady who said it's an embarrassment to Georgia is totally off base, My ancestors were here during the Civil War. They never owned a single slave but fought for States Rights. Why don't we ask the Dutch, the British, and the northern slave traders to apologize for bringing them here? Or even the rival tribes who sold them off to the slave traders. There has not been a slave in the USA for around 150 years. Get over it folks, what went on was wrong, but it's over. Many decedents of slaves are now living on the federal plantation and still being used as pawns by the liberal politicians, including Barack Obama. Things haven't changed much since "The Great Emancipator" , Abe Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation to keep the French and British out of our Civil War. My goodness, let's get down to the business of educating people and getting them off the government plantation and being productive citizens and be truly free.

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Julie Camp

1:12 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Our legislators should be more concerned about the millions enslave today. We have a huge problem with that. Where is the concern for those living in Hell now??

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Sheemika Kendrick

1:13 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I shouldn't be shocked but I am......what is so wrong for wanting a little apology? Bill how can you say that African Americans should be happy we are over here? Should Jews be happy that Hitler was trying to make the perfect face with blonde hair and blue eyes? It's a shame the way that most of you think, I don't care if slavery happened 300 years ago, if they want to apologize them it's okay.

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Julie Camp

1:45 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Ms. Kendrick, will you feel better if I apologize? My family didn't own slaves, but I'm sorry some people did. Oh, should the black American's apologize to themselves? Some owned slaves. Should Africans apologize too? They kidnapped and sold their own people for money.

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Joe Bozeman

1:45 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Sheemika , Although I nor my ancestors ever owned a slave, I APOLOGIZE!!! Does that make you feel better. I hope so, bu I see no good it will do. I think what Bill is saying is that black people in the USA are much better off than those still in Africa no matter how their ancestors got here.Please tell me what an apology from the State of Georgia would accomplish or benefit anyone?

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Julie Camp

2:08 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Ms. Kendrick, I think it's a shame the way you think. You're not thinking of the here and now. There are 23 million slaves currently. Where is your outrage for them? All the slaves and slave owners from the early years of this country are dead. The slave owners owned slaves legally. We can't change the past, but can change what is happening today. Oh, and don't you dare bring up Hitler when speaking of things in the United States! It has nothing to do with any thing we as a Nation have done. We stopped that horrible man. We're the good guys.

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Debbie Winkles

10:43 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Oh my God, Sheemika - are you kidding me? Africans sold their own people into slavery - ask them for an apology. Oh, nevermind, you can't, they still do it. If you are not happy over "here", then go to Africa, there's flights over there daily. And another thing, if you were born in America, you are NOT an African American - you are an American. Just because you are black, doesn't make you an African....

Melinda Paris

1:26 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

what is really shameful is this: The unemployment in this state is still riding around 10%! That ALONE should be unacceptable, and then we pay these goons to go and do something about the NOW, and they sit there in committee's wining and dining on our TAX PAYER DOLLAR in meetings and get very little accomplished year after year. Some of us that are TRYING to stay employed while helping our family members that have either lost jobs/ or had hours slashed, just trying to pay bills, and stay above water while they are down at the capital acting as if nothing is wrong. Its time we HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE for every word, every idle and wasted minute, we are the ones paying, and I for one am fed up with their WASTE of TIME and MONEY! We all agree slavery was terrible, but its history, and wasting HOURS on such a thing while there is homeless black, and white living under the bridges we can see when we go to a basketball, football, baseball game in Atlanta, there is people starving TODAY in Atlanta within a block of the Capital, there is people that will try to stay warm tonight in card board boxes within blocks of the capital, they need to find ways to bring JOBS back to Georgia. Lockheed is laying off, I'm loosing two neighbors that are moving to Texas because of it, ENOUGH of this crap, and Time to make them ALL ACCOUNTABLE US US THE TAXPAYERS!

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Julie Camp

1:46 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

YAY Melinda! Someone with a brain.

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Pam J

1:51 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

If you know enough about Lockheed, you pretty much are not guaranteed a lifetime of work there. I think that most people are hired on a contract basis. My uncle worked there many years ago and he worked for awhile and was laid off for awhile and then went back many times. So I don't think you can use Lockheed as a model for long-term employment.

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Julie Camp

2:00 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Pam J., the cuts could end Lockheed. Is that a good thing? Also, we don't need more people laid off when our unemployment is hovering around 10 percent.

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Pam J

2:21 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Julie, a lot of people take jobs at Lockheed knowing they will not be permanent. Now, if a lot of permanent people are losing their jobs, then, yes, it is a problem. But they also have job openings every now and then, so it's not too bad. Every time I've had to go to the unemployment office in Kennesaw, it seems like most of the people there were in construction, real estate, and some other business that flat out won't do good in a bad economy. Until construction starts back up, as soon as housing prices go up and the little day spa that opened in one of the new strip malls starts making money, the unemployment rate will be high. The company my brother worked for in Atlanta closed last year. He had worked there for 16 years. The owner just decided he wanted to retire. Luckily, his friend had some insurance money and they opened their own company. They aren't making a fortune, but at least they are making some money. But we digress - this article is about slavery.

Melinda Paris

1:36 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

This is nothing SHORT of a distraction and waste of time for a lazy Representative, and I'm glad He is not mine, OR I would take out an billboard up in Cartersville about him wasting tax payers money...He is wanting attention, well there is other ways to get it without taking from the citizens of this state. Makes me mad in this HORRIBLE ECONOMY for someone to STEAL SOME MORE MONEY FROM ALL OF US!!!

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Melinda Paris

1:58 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Pam J- That's right in some cases, I've lived here all my life and I know people who lost jobs/went back/lost jobs again...HOWEVER, this time both my neighbors have been there approx. 30 years, and have only 2/3 years to retirement. I also realize we're not a demo state, and Lockheed never fairs to good under Democrat administration, I will use Lockheed in this situation for a model for long-term employment, but after this lay off or get fired situtation there will be just a handfull left at the "old Bell Bomber" plant, I think mostly folks that are left on the C130, then I'm sure this administration will shut it down--ALSO, over 4, 600 loosing jobs at Ft. Gordon near Augusta, another 3,000 plus at Ft. Benning are loosing jobs--We need some jobs to stay and come back, or new ones to Georgia, and we don't need representatives that won't work for us, the citizens to move on. This resolution will bring NOTHING to Georgia, and I would think each and every tax payer would want our state to get out of the bottom and start moving up, if you don't that's your opinion, and I'm certainly not here to try to change it, and as far as I'm concerned Sen. Loudermilk is wasting his and our time with this nonsense!

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Pam J

2:13 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I do realize that there are permanent employees at Lockheed and I am sorry that your neighbors have to move, but if they are close to retirement, hopefully they will embrace the chance to live in a different place for awhile. And be thankful that they were given the chance to stay with Lockheed. And it's been a long time since we've had a Democratic governor.

Pam J

2:00 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

What really surprises me about this is that this Senator Loudermilk is a Republican. And if there is anyone left in this state that had slaves, let them apologize. Even if some of my ancestors had slaves, I refuse to take responsibility for that. And as horrible as slavery was, let's remember that it was legal for awhile. Heck, the country should apologize to us women who were repressed from voting for a long time. Let's apologize to the people who legally came over here and our country chose not to use their languages on billboards or signs, but now, everywhere you go, signs are in English and Spanish.

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Just A Grunt

2:07 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I've moved on. I have forgiven the Romans for enslaving my ancestors. Oh, wait you're talking about the only ethnic group that hasn't moved on. We were all slaves sometime in history it just seems one group can't let it go and because of that it keeps holding them back.

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Julie Camp

2:13 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Love it Grunt. You nailed it right on the head.

Melinda Paris

2:09 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Julie Camp- You are so right about those living in Hell now. If one starts wanting the state to apologize to this / that, then it's opening up for more and more nonsense talks, committee meetings and then before we know this session is over again without anything concrete accomplished. If they don't do anymore than they did last year, then they should all quit, close the capital and just meet every 3 or 4 years. It seems they all show up with personal agenda's, and the majority of folks in this state just go by the way-side. We have some very serious problems in our state that need to be addressed and taken care of. I'm so sick of all this talk about things that happen in the past that none of us currently can help or do a thing about,it would be nice to see some productive talks and actions put in place to move our state forward in the problem area's of jobs, education and etc, there is nothing from this resolution that will help our current momumental problems?? Let's face it, there is more talk about the HOG DINNER the night before they began the session than anything so far and we're two weeks into it, so time is a wasting, I would love to see our Representatives really pass some important legislation that would prove me wrong, and when they do, I will say okay the did something great! Yahoo...go ahead make my day!

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Kea Eason

3:09 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

As an African American Women, whose great grandparents were slaves, grand-parents were indentured servants, and parents endured the civil rights era...Yes I do want an apology! It wasn't years and years ago...it was recent! Recent enough that we as African Americans are still dealing with it. Yes, dealing with the shame of what happened to our ancestors! Dealing with the racism that still occurs today! Can you imagine seeing, for 300 years, your people killed, beaten, tortured? Can you imagine being torn away from your family in any given moment, over and over again? Did all white people participate in enslaving Africans? No! However, the United States of America, at that time, did condone slavery! It's not right! Unless your ancestors endured what my ancestors endured, you wouldn't understand. Period!

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Julie Camp

3:22 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Key words in your rant....."at that time". That time is long gone and you need to let go. You can't live your life with a huge chip on your shoulder.

My grandmother's siblings were taken by the federal government. She was left behind and cared for her mother. They had to hide or face the same fate of her brothers and sisters. They were Native Americans. I don't need an apology from my government to live my life. However, we shouldn't forget our past and need to remind our government that they are NOT in charge of our lives and let us have the freedom we have all fought to hard to enjoy.

That massive chip on your shoulder is your biggest burden in your life.

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Julie Camp

3:34 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Also, we're not old enough to have seen our ancestors beaten and forced into slavery. My other ancestors were beaten, murdered, jailed and held in poverty in Ireland. So they came here for freedom, only to have the British to the same. Guess what my ancestors did? They armed themselves and took back their freedom.

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Joe Bozeman

3:46 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Kea, as I told the other lady, if it will make you feel better, I APOLOGIZE !!!! For what, I don't know, but I hope it makes you feel better. Period!

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Jaime

5:49 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Where would you live today had your ancestors not have been brought over here? It's just like any war, and the war our country fought/fights. We are lucky enough to have had generations before us pay the price for our freedom. If they hadn't done it...you wouldn't be in the great USA, you'd be back wherever they came from.

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Debra

8:46 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Kea we do understand how you feel. You were taught to feel that way. It is an on going problem with the black race. Black Americans are the only group that keeps this angry going daily-year after year. Enough. Be proud you're in this generation. We are all equal now and you know it. Whites and Blacks long long ago became equals. Stop with the angry and live your life.. And as for seeing your people beaten, killed, etc. You didn't see it you were told these stories. Don't forget about what the white men (that came from England by boat) did to the native Indians. They almost killed all of the Indians off. The Irish were slaves,many more groups were treated badly by the white men that settled here from England. Not just your people. England brought their black slaves with them, Then ships from Africa came and sold black Africans to the whites from England. They bought them to farm,etc for them. It's all in the past where it should stay. We're all equal now. And there is one thing in America that won't happen again and that's slavery. We the American people will never let anyone else come into the country and make slaves of anyone (whites blacks, Indians--we are all free now and will remain that way. Don't dwell on the past, live in the present. You'll be happier and this is your time. Don't carry the past around with you. It gets very heavy. It's a load that you should not be carrying. It does not belong to you.

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CBU25

12:27 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Nearly every race has been enslaved at some point or another. Also your reference to beatings and torturing tells me that you believe films like Roots which are exaggerated works of fiction.

Also, people need to get off this idea that people of the same skin color are "your people." I'm Hispanic and for some reason people think that means I'm supposed to support amnesty for illegal immigrants because they're supposedly "my people." Wrong; my people are people who share my beliefs and values. I place exactly zero stock in skin color. That's why I also oppose Affirmative Action even though I could benefit from it.

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Duncan

11:30 am on Thursday, February 7, 2013

Kea..., why aren't you asking the muslims and Islamic countries for apologies; they practiced and are still practicing human slavery of the blacks. Why? Why aren't you asking them? Is it because you know damned well that you wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting one? Tell us..., why? They've been practicing human slave trade for centuries....

Bill

3:20 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Part 1 of 2 parts:

I didn't mention this in my earlier post as it is not politically correct, but I see that the various replies have made this comment more acceptable, so here it is-
In the early 80's l lived for 3 yrs in South Africa, about 12-13 yrs ago I went back for 10 days as a tourist, I may be the only one on this site with actual living in Africa experiences, now my comment: If you are Black and living in the USA you have 'won the lottery'! With minor exceptions for some Scandinavian counties there is no better place in the world to be Black
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Sorry about your ancestors but it was 150 years ago so get over it. Also as someone pointed out most slaves were rounded up and sold into slavery in Africa by other Blacks, so go ask them for an apology.

con't below

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Bill

3:21 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Part 2 of 2 parts:

Here is one thing you might be surprised about - after SA came under Black political control some American Blacks decided to go to SA and open businesses. Sounds like a good idea right?! Well they were not well thought of, they were considered 'carpet baggers' by the Black and Colored South Africans and the reason they were not accepted was that they played no part in the 'struggle' for freedom in SA and their showing up to try to open businesses and make money from South Africans was deeply resented. As far as I know they all ended up going back to the US
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So my last word on this to Black Americans is: Enjoy your freedom and privileges here in the USA, your ancestors paid the price for you and YOU have no business asking anyone to apologize - just shut the heck up we are NOT interested in your whining.

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Gerald Eyer

3:37 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Will you also acknowledge that the legislation being past today is ripping our constitution to shreds?
We are all still slaves, to this government!
What's your plan of action to remedy this?
Save the jim crowe crap, we're over that...

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Julie Camp

3:43 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Gerald, you're making sense. Stop it lol

Kea Eason

4:08 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Julie...I don't have a massive chip on my shoulder. I do have a problem with you telling me to let it go! My grandfather's parents were slaves! He did see his parents beaten and family members tortured! My grandfather, father and mother experienced extreme racism! I myself, growing up in East Cobb experienced extreme racism! Don't tell me to get over it. Joe - Thank you for apologizing! However, you didn't enslave my people. The American Government did and that's who I would like an apology from. Bill, I'm not whining just stating historical fact! My people were enslaved, tortured, beaten and killed for more than 300 years and counting! How dare you tell me I have no business asking for an apology! I am a Proud American. Period! I am proud of who I am and what I have came from. Can you say the same?

Gerald - Save the "Jim Crow crap"? Really? You sound like one of those" I'm not racist..I know one black person". Must be nice to be born into royalty. You've probably had more opportunities in your life, in your family than most! I am the truest form of an American, besides of course the real American's, the Indians! I am African, European, Indian, and whatever else! My ancestors built this country...what did your ancestors do? I sometimes wonder if you would have the guts to say what you say online to someone's face! I doubt it! Would you tell the Jews to stop whining about the Holocaust? I hope not, but If so...God Bless your Soul! A simple I'm sorry would be nice....

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Julie Camp

4:18 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Oh, and the Irish and American Indians weren't? Yes you do have a chip on your shoulder. I experience racism every day! I got called a white B*** recently for turning right when a black woman was turning left and she said I cut her off. I get called racist for being Republican every day. I get ignored at sales counters by black employees all the time. Racism isn't going any where and crying about how you ancestors were treated BEFORE you were born isn't really making any difference in any one's lives. You're fighting a fight that isn't there. We all have our past atrocities. We have to learn and move on. You can't blame folks living today for what happened in the past.

And, who do you want to apologize? White people? Or black people?? They both owned slaves.

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Duncan

11:42 am on Thursday, February 7, 2013

Everybody's wrong but you,eh Kea?

Kea Eason

4:13 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

The good news....my son will not experience what I have! He doesn't see color! Most kids are like that unless they are taught hate at home! We don't have to agree, that's the beauty of being an American! But we must respect each other and our differences if we plan on getting anywhere! It's sad that you, Gerald, Julie and trust me Countless others have that viewpoint. What so wrong with saying Slavery was wrong? You are human...right?

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Julie Camp

4:22 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

You didn't read my other posts. I hate slavery and I'm sickened by the fact that there are millions in slavery today. You're so busy thinking with your "woah is me" junk, you don't think of them. Young women and men are being used by horrible people for sex toys.

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Julie Camp

4:24 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

They are also being beaten and murdered after they have been "used up". Isn't that pleasant? How would you feel if they took your son????? Then would you think about someone other than yourself?

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Duncan

11:44 am on Thursday, February 7, 2013

Kea...., stop kidding yourself, there're just as many black kids being racists today as white..., perhaps more.

Kea Eason

4:30 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Julie are you seriously going to compare you being disrespected in 2013 to what happen to my ancestors? I see why we might not ever get an apology with that attitude. That's actually hilarious! Wow...I'm at at loss for words. Well I do believe the Irish and Indians deserve an apology as well. See that's having empathy. Being able to understand another person's situation. Something I don't believe you have. Yes, I can and do blame the American Government for their role in slavery and I would like an apology. Am I holding my breathe for an apology? No! Will I assume all white people are the "devil" because of the past? No! Will you ever acknowledge what was done to my people and try to understand how that affects my people today? No. Will I assume you are a racist because of your ignorant comments? No! I will assume you say what you say based on your experiences.

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Julie Camp

4:46 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I was addressing your comments about civil rights and racism.

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Jaime

6:00 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

My Great Great Great Grandparents were Cherokee Indians on the trail of tears. I have sympathy. I have sympathy for those africans who endured slavery. I have sympathy for all kinds of people. I just don't see how apologizing for someone elses sins will make ANYTHING better. We live in a generation where racism is still fresh.Mostly it seems the blacks harbor resentment towards the whites for what happened. Even now, if the great MLK hadn't done what he did it would be terrible still for blacks. I think our current generation is still entwined in that part of racism. Maybe in 300 years things will be different, but there is definitely a lot of resentment FROM blacks to whites. PERSONALLY, I have no idea why. I think all people are equal, unless they prove me wrong. I just don't get where an apology would do any good. In all honesty. Dont think it will have any effect on the way racism is still rampant here, especially in GA...or in the south. No difference at all. Blacks will still resent whites because they think they have had everything better. Not really the truth, but they use it as the truth, so they have a line of defense against the government. It's just the truth. I'm sure in 300 years, maybe this will all be over and people can quit holding something over people's head who had nothing to do with it.

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Duncan

11:46 am on Thursday, February 7, 2013

"...I'm at a loss for words"; one can only hope..., one can only hope.

Kea Eason

4:36 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Julie..I'm addressing the question that was asked? I see some post have gotten off topic. The question was Should Georgia Officially Acknowledge Slavery? That is the question I answered. You are absolutely right about our kids being used as sex toys, however that was not the question. If there is another section within The Patch that asks that question, please direct me there and I will say exactly what you have! It is wrong and we should do something about it!

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Julie Camp

4:50 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I'm addressing the question that was asked. I don't think we should apologize for anything that happened in the past and should spend more time and resources on the atrocities that are going on today. You are so stuck on your self, you can't see the horrible world we live in now. You need to live your life. Not the life of your ancestors. Not saying we should forget. Learn from the past to not relive it. But, we relive it every day. Those that won't let go, keep us in the past.

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Jaime

6:03 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

That's true Julie. "Learn from the past to not relive it. But, we relive it every day. Those that won't let go, keep us in the past."
As long as there is resentment for things that happened, we will NEVER NEVER NEVER get past the racism. Never. Sad to say. Hopefully the next generation wont have as much resentment. OR, better yet, will spend their time focusing on how to live a good, decent, wholesome life. Be kind to people. Pray for people. Give to people in need. Don't go out the door with bitterness in your heart. Go out the door and choose to love everyone for you never know what the person next to you is going through

Kea Eason

4:56 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I respect your opinion but completely disagree! I'm not living in the past. I'm giving my opinion on a question that was asked by Jon Gargis. My answer is still the same. Yes I believe Georgia should officially acknowledge Slavery. If you look back at your many comments, you were not addressing the question. You wrote about Lockheed, Kids in the sex slave market, etc. I'm addressing only the question that was asked. Do I respect your response? Yes.

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Pam J

5:24 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

How about the young guys and gals that were drafted into the arms forces and then sent to Viet Nam to kill and be killed? They were, in a way, slaves and they never got any kind of thank you. Sorry your limbs got blown off or sorry your brain is fried because we made you kill so many people. I'm sorry, I know that slavery happened. It's in the history books. Everybody knows it was wrong. I fail to see why this state should publicly apologize for it. It seems like we apologize in all sorts of ways. My brother's company can't get a job with the City of Atlanta because they have three employees and none of them are a minority. Is that fair? Sure, they are encouraging people to start their own companies, but then they set up roadblocks like this.

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Kea Eason

5:38 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

No, everybody doesn't know it was wrong. There are many people who wish things never changed! There are people today that look at African Americans like 2nd class citizens and you want to bring up your brother? Typical! One has nothing to do with the other! My father was a Vietnam Vet and yes you are right! America screwed up Royally regarding our veterans who served in the Vietnam War...but that wasn't the question. Just own it...You don't believe that the Georgia Government should acknowledge and apologize for slavery, Period!

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Pam J

6:01 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

Well, the people who don't know it was wrong will never change. Having the state issue an official apology will not change those people. It really won't change anything. I bring up my brother because you are saying that blacks are still being treated badly. My brother's situation tells me different. And when I brought up Viet Nam, I wasn't addressing just you. I was just saying that there are a whole lot of people who have suffered at the hands of other people.

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Jaime

6:11 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I will own it.
"Just own it...You don't believe that the Georgia Government should acknowledge and apologize for slavery, Period!"
I don't think they should. ;/ in all honesty, I think our government should spend our heard earned money on helping our state become better. Helping the homeless, helping the jobless. This is water under the bridge. The problem with the people in the state is, they never learned how to forgive. It should already be forgiven. I'm sure your ancestors forgave as they were (or should have) if they didn't, then they weren't good christian forgiving people. That's fine, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. If they WERE however god fearing christians, this should all be over with, because LOVE covers a multitude of sins. If they raised their families and ancestors to resent the people who owned slaves (white and black) then they sure weren't believers. (not that you said they were, I'm just saying that because I am).
If you offend someone you should apologize, if you hurt someone you should apologize. I don't believe the state needs to apologize for something that we actually fought a war for. THANK GOD the south lost, or there would still be slaves. But they paid the price for freedom, just as most people throughout history have done. There always has to be a price. Freedom isn't free

Kea Eason

5:54 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I love a great debate! It's a wrap for me. I hope I have not disrespected anyone or their viewpoints with my comments. If I have, I apologize as that was not my intention. I truly feel these types of discussions are important and vital for all of us. Have a wonderful night!

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Julie Camp

6:25 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

There is no reason to apologize. I mean, who should apologize to who? Should white folks apologize to black folk?. If so, how many black Americans are really black? Many are part white? Do they apologize to themselves? I can assure any one, right now, this very minute, there are black Americans with slaves in their home. There are whites, hispanics and asians with slaves in their homes. Why should any one apologize for one group in history that was forced into slavery when so many suffered in the past and suffer still today!

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Sith Monkey

6:48 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I wonder how much money is spent from start to finish on this lame proposal ? Why not just hold a lottery of the unemployed and pick 5 names from that list and just give them the money instead. Better than just wasting it on this ! Besides, as others have said, those who needed apologized too are long gone. So, learn from history and dont do it again !

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Melinda Paris

8:42 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

I like your suggestion Sith M. I don't think we should apologize, BUT MORE than that, I don't think Rep. Loudermilk should waste the time on such a resolution either. If anyone should apologize for anything, it should be the President for letting FOUR hero's be dragged through the streets of Libya, NOW that's an apology overdue..I want him to say to the families, Yes they begged for help, I didn't send any, and I'M SORRY, Now, that's recent and revelent, but for a Georgia Rep that won't spend but 45 days at the Capital, (they've already wasted two weeks). We need to hear some productive actions taken at the capital. This isn't the first time this resolution has tried to be passed, and that's another problem some of the same ole' stuff is re-hashed year after year after year. It gets really old, and while alot of people of all races are suffering in our state NOW, I think its horrible for the waste of time/money. I'm wondering if this resolution passes, is the next question gonna be: Should we pay restitution to the ancestors?? Y'all think I'm screaming over this, you'll see me on the six o'clock news with signs if that happens! I work too many hours to start giving it more away cause of something that happen WAY before any of us was even thought of. FACT My ancestors picked cotton in days gone by, with sharecroppers, side by side Hard working people, 2 cents per pound/ 14-16 back breaking hours a day here in Ga.Great-grand parents were kind, good, never mis-treated a soul

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Bonnie M

9:37 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

No...there is no reason to apologize......just get on with today's business!!!!

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Byron Rangitsch

10:00 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Go for it.

While no one alive was around, the State of Georgia was. It's never too late to say you're sorry. Writing a letter does not cost money, grow the government, or increase regulations. Seems like a no-brainer.

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Bill

10:36 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

This was a good exchange of views on the topic. I have even added a link about it to my two blog sites.

You might want to drop a line to the 2 legislators and the Chairman of the NAACP and let them know what you think of this issue.

Their names and addresses are on either of my sites, easy to find:
http://impeachobama2013.blogspot.com/
http://impeachobama2012.blogspot.com/

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Melinda Paris

10:47 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

While you are right it cost nothing to writing a letter and yes its never too late to say you're sorry, and I'm first to say I'm sorry for something I did. But I did nothing to say I'm sorry for, but I said it anyway. However its not just a letter at this point, its a resolution, for it to get to that point, there has had to been discussions, committee meetings, remember we're talking about Gov't, and therefore its complexed whether it should be or not, and remember its been in the house before, this is not the first rodeo of this suggestion/resolution. It was house bill in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009- to get it to the house, the resolution has to be filed, so as you can see this is not just a letter, this has been hashed around for YEARS, I believe the people of Georgia deserve better usage of our tax dollars down at The Capital, we're getting NOTHING for our buck! Thousands have said, we're sorry, how many times does it have to be said to satisfy folks? Its about time they apologize for the waste of our money, some of you act as if this is nothing, and it would NOT be it was the first time, I'm telling you its been talked about, had meetings about it, had resolutions filed about it, had more meetings about it. I think the better question would be? How much MONEY and TIME should we spend in a weak economy to pass this resolution? My answer: We've spent too much already, I'm more concerned for the NOW, thousands out of work, hungry, high unemployment, health.

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Melinda Paris

11:04 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

One other note: For the ones of us that are tired of wasted spending such as this, don't deserve to be called back wooded by a transplant Europeon, and people who act as if this is nothing, then look back at how many years and how many have tried to pass it, so if they are going to pass it, just do it so we can move on. I don't agree w/this resolution, but either THEY need to pass it or shut up about it, ITS wasting money and that's been my point from post one. I'm tired of scraping and scrimping by and helping family that can't help they lost jobs, I'm exhausted and then to read this kind of nonsense its beyond ridiculous and if you think this man is doing it for the families, think again. Its just another political ply and I've lived long enough to recognize all of their self- gain games. Go to the capital while they are in session and just see how "hard" they work. More blah, blah than anything, then if you don't see them, its because they couldn't make it in, OR- They are sitting in a room in a committee meeting. More resolutions don't get passed than do get passed, and there is hours and hours of meetings before they ever get to the floor, you can't imagine the waste of time and hours UNLESS you go down there and sit through some of it. Been there, done that. I have had kids that paged for representatives and that's how I know, witnessed it first hand. Then you have the lobbyist in the halls kissing their faces, unreal.

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Byron Rangitsch

11:27 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

No one cares if you or any living individual says sorry. The State of Georgia was around and is guilty, so they should. While they're at it, they can apologize for all state-sanctioned discrimination. Sure, we get it, the state should have said Sorry before, but they didn't. Anyone wanna guess why?

Last time I paid any attention to the state house, they passed a bed tax on hospitals instead of raising cigarette taxes to the national average. So, yea, I'd rather they wrote a letter than tried to "fix" anything else.

But hey, some people are passionate about not saying sorry. Geesh.

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Lisa Poole

1:25 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

What a waste of freaking money and time! Do something that will help now... geez... this was over 150 years ago.

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Sherri Crews

9:18 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Seriously? If this is the best we can expect of our elected officials I propose that we fire them all and just hire History Teachers to reiterate the past. What a complete, but typical, waste of time and tax dollars! I didn't own slaves, I don't know any slaves, I don't live on a plantation. I currently reside in the 21st century where the economy sucks, jobs are scarce and people are clawing and scraping to just get by. Working on resolving issues that are capable of being resolved would be a great place for our elected officials to concentrate their limited thoughts.

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CBU25

12:21 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

It's foolish to hold people today accountable for the actions of people they've never met, nor that anyone they have ever met has ever met.

Slavery was a crime; you'd be hard pressed to find someone today that thinks otherwise. But it's a crime that no one here today committed, nor one that anyone today endorses, nor that anyone today has suffered from.

Some try to argue that Caucasians can be held accountable for the actions of the ancestors because they're directly benefiting from said actions, but there's little research out there that "confirms" that, and even that research is dubious.

Even if it was confirm-able, only 8% of Americans owned slaves (and some of those slave-owners were free blacks) even at the peak of the trade because they were extremely expensive. I know from my own genealogy that my family line was too poor to own slaves. Also, what about modern Americans who descend from families that immigrated to the US after 1865?

Do you think any of that matters to people like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson or? No, all that matters to them is color (we're black, they're white, so screw them)...because they're textbook racists.

The only one reason it's still something people whine about today: political yardage. That's all this is about, garnering votes.

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Claudette Clarke

8:32 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Nobody is asking for any individual to apologize just the state of GA. Ghana has apologized for selling off the slaves and as an added measure welcome us back at any time. Think about the last time you were offended. Yes you forgave but wasn't it nicer when the one who gave offense apologized. This is the first step in the healing process.

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Julie Camp

8:59 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Ms. Clark, as one person posted, we'll have to dig those folks up to apologize. I still think it is self centered to expect apologies from groups that had nothing to do with what happened with no regard for those still enslaved. Can't you think of anyone but yourself?

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Pam J

10:26 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

The "healing process"? Are the black people hurting? Don't think so. And let's remember - at the time, "involuntary servitude" was an acceptable way of living. If we want to go back and apologize for everything that has ever happened, that will take a long time. I want my former supervisor to apologize to me because she didn't invite the administrative assistants to her party because we were "administrative assistants", not managers. She made us feel like lesser people. Everybody who works for someone else, even though you are getting paid, is really a "slave" to that person. If you say the wrong thing, make a mistake, anything that your boss doesn't like, you will be fired. If you work for someone else, you really don't have "free will".

Kea Eason

9:55 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Debra and anyone else who may be wondering...No, I'm not angry. Where did this come from? I joined in the discussion. I answered a question. Am I passionate about this subject? Of course! Am I angry with the "White" man or any person for that matter? No! Yes, just like any family, stories have been passed down from generation to generation. Should we lie? My grandparents didn't "teach" us to hate any people. However, they did tell the truth and the truth is my people were enslaved. Do I think the American Government should apologize to? Yes! That simple. It reminds me of a kid who knows what he did was wrong..but refuses to apologize for it. Instead he will come up with all types of reasons why he shouldn't...when a simple I'm sorry would suffice. In my opinion, All countries that enslaved, tortured and/or imprisoned any people should apologize. That's just MY opinion.

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Julie Camp

10:33 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Kea, did you know that the Irish we forced to do jobs that slaves were too valued to do? Yes, they were forced to do the dangerous and horrible jobs deemed too harsh for slaves. I should get more of an apology than you.

Melinda Paris

10:15 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

An official apology will NEVER please alot of people, so let it happen and wait and see. What will be next? I'm thinking then its "restitution" after all that has been spoken about too in recent years. Let's face it, you can please ALL the people ALL the time. I still think Rep. Loudermilk is wasting alot of precious tax dollars that could help all races in this state at this time of horrible economy, and that's my opinion and its not worth 2 cents, but its mine.

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Byron Rangitsch

11:18 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Oh no! The slippery slope. Next thing you know, we'll be Zimbabwe!

It's funny that you want a State Government to "fix" the economy when it can't even write a letter in 150 years. There's very little the State Government can do to "fix" anything.

Kea, The House and Senate apologized.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93059465

Kea Eason

10:38 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Julie - Did you know that I'm African American? Do you know what the question was? Once again instead of giving a simple answer you deflect to something else. The question did not ask Should the GEORGIA Government apologize to the Irish? Please direct me to that question and I will answer it. If you want an apology from the American Government or Georgia Government for what they did to your ancestors..fine..ask for one! It's like you are pulling any and everything into this conversation except for the conversation!

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Julie Camp

11:59 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I made a point that we all have suffered in the US. I guess you missed my point. You think you have cornered the market on suffering. Um, nope. There were other groups starved, beaten, jailed and murdered in the past. Civilization is not all that civil. Things haven't changed, they're just ignored by the press.

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Julie Camp

12:10 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I'm do not mean to diminish the horror of slavery in the South. I just want to point out, your mind set is so deluded as to who suffered and to how much extent. You've been told how bad it was and how you should feel that you don't think of others. If the state starts apologizing for the past, where will it end?

Kea Eason

11:25 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Bryan..you are right! The House and Senate have apologized! I never said I want the State Government to "fix" anything. Those are your words and assumptions. You said earlier: Go for it.While no one alive was around, the State of Georgia was. It's never too late to say you're sorry. Writing a letter does not cost money, grow the government, or increase regulations. Seems like a no-brainer.

I agree with you on both!

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Byron Rangitsch

12:19 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

The comments about fixing things were to those who used the excuse that govt has more important things to do.

Kea Eason

12:13 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Julie...My mind set is not deluded! You are making assumptions! Shame on you! Unlike you I will stick to the question at hand. I know other cultures have suffered, I've never said different.

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Julie Camp

12:44 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Let me make my point in a different direction. Our legislators are only in session for a short time. You would rather they argue over an apology for the past than work on legislation to help our police agencies fight slavery going on now? Or, perhaps they could work on tax legislation to help bring business here to alleviate some of the ridiculously high unemployment among black Georgians? PRIORITIES! Those that need an apology are just too absorbed over the wrongs of the past, they can't fix the problems of the here and now.

Brian

2:34 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

I think that it's about time. Probably almost 100 years late, but late is better than nothing. It sends a good message that Georgia is a more progressive Southern state.

One thing I don't agree with is people using slavery as a crutch or excuse to not perform, not work, etc. Amazingly, some people in the poorest parts of Atlanta still site slavery and other things as the reason they are "kept down" as opposed to the real reasons, such as lack of access to post-secondary education, etc.

I'm part jewish. I could sit here and cry victimization about enslavement by Egyptians and antisemitism at the hands of the U.S., about prominent U.S. citizens' donations to Hitler, etc. Don't make this discussion into a race/ethnicity thing and a victimization contest. Human history is sordid, and there are plenty of nasty things that happened to every group. However, I don't see American Indians going around crying all the time. I don't see jews using Hitler and antisemitism and Egyptian slavery, etc as an excuse to not succeed.

Sadly, there are a small minority of descendents of american slaves that use it and civil rights things from over forty years back before I was even alive as an excuse while other descendents are flourishing. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's doable. The ones who haven't achieved need to step up and stop crying, do everything to get an education, and succeed. Some will need help, but they have to take a first step. Enough already.

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Melinda Paris

8:33 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Just reported this morning on TV, there is more slaves in the world today, January 24, 2013 than has ever been! So, slavery I guess will never go away no matter what we all want. I am still waiting to see what they (representatives) are going to do for this state to move ahead this year, its very quiet from the capital, are they really there this year? Oh yea, we have this one resolution, sorry.

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Julie Camp

8:56 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

No, it's not going to go away. Too many people ignore this horrible problem. They're too self centered and think of themselves. Still upset over what happened over 100 years ago, but have no clue of what happens all around them now.

Melinda Paris

9:15 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

I agree w/you Julie...and I also got the word above "progressive" in Brian's post which means liberal, so there you go. We have our opinion and they have their's, and we can point out slavery today, just what is going on with innocent children used as a sex slaves today is a travesty, but yet it falls on deaf ears/ blind eyes. I hope Georgia never becomes a progressive state. Martin Luther King was not a progressive, He was conservative that fought for the rights of his people, but yet He was fair and He was a very smart man in the way He did things. Some of tried over the years to twist the way He thought, but history is history and He was smart, creative, a doer, not just a whiner. He would not want Georgia to be a progressive state, even though many would argue that point too. Its time we all live for NOW and for the future before all our rights are taken away in a blink of a eye. People think that 100 years was tough, well what do they think the next 10 are going to be at this rate? This state, THIS COUNTRY isn't going to make it just based on the out of control spending--I'm very worried, concerned for our state and I know with the high unemployment that doesn't ever come down, that we are in for a long road to recovery and I don't hear anything from our rep's changing those numbers. So, again answering the question, NO-to this resolution, come up with something new and fresh to get us on the road to recovery.

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Pam J

10:33 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

So you don't want Georgia to be a progressive state. Since when did "progressive" become a bad word? Do you want to be stuck in the same place all the time? Sounds boring to me. And there will always be some kind of "slavery". As long as there are bad people, as long as the devil himself walks among us, bad things will happen. It doesn't matter if you are conservative or liberal. Although Senator Loudermilk is a conservative.

Alexis Joiner

9:21 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

This is just another politician trying to pick the most controversial subject matter he can think of to get the most press for himself. He couldn't care less about slavery much less apologizing for it. He just wants to throw out bait and see what he is able to reel in (or who he can hook).

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Melinda Paris

10:41 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Pam J, I know Loudermilk is a republican, so? He is looking for votes, see I'm not against calling out people in my party if they are wrong, too bad lib's can't do that...and EVERYONE knows that Progressive is now the word to use instead of liberal, ask CNN...about it and I WAS TALKING DIRECTLY to another person that posted, I even added her name, go look and I was talking about another "poster" that put the word Progressive in place, if Georgia isn't progressive enough for some folks, there is 49 other states to consider, and when I grew up here for the record Georgia was a Demo state, and all my family voted that way, can't help it changed--so Georgia has moved forward several years ago, where were you at when that happen?? I have confessed my sins over and over by voting for idiotic Jimmy Carter and I've apologized for that several times too, what a goon He turned out to be!!

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Pam J

11:05 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Melinda, I will be more than happy to call out Democrats. If they do something I don't like. I don't like the immigration policies of our current President. Actually, I hate it. That is one thing I hope the Republicans can stop. And there is a big difference between being "progressive" and being "liberal". I don't care who started using the word first. And maybe you were speaking "directly" to Brian (who, I believe is a "he"), but as long as everybody else can see your comment, you are open to replies. And it's real mature to call a former President a goon. Geez.

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Melinda Paris

6:24 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Pam J- Reply away, I'm not hiding anything including my name and how I feel. And yes, I did say that Jimmy Carter turned out to be a goon, and I'll take that a step further to say I was one too, for voting for him. I believe there is a difference between progressive and liberal, however I'm not the one that began using the word "progressive" in the place of liberal, that would be some of the liberal media that began that, just as they have now started saying on the news in the last two weeks, "gun safety" instead of "gun control". I'm not the one that changes words to mean something else, that would be our media folks, I'm just telling you that's the way it is now. YOU, were the one that reminded me (everyone) that Loudermilk is a conservative, I could care less what He is, and as you reminded me to everybody can see your comments, You too are open to replies. I've never complained about anyone reading my comments, what's your deal today? If you want to join other's and call names, that's fine. If you think Jimmy Carter has turned out to be a intelligent individual in his last few years, then that's your opinion, and again I voted for the man, but its embarrasing to admit such a thing, and I still think He has turned out to be a goon, in his earlier days, He came across very smart and considering the rest of his family (Billy, and his mom) He seemed like a genuis! I'm still against this resolution, btw. this was only to reply to you!

Melinda Paris

10:45 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

btw...Loudermilk can say what He is 24/7--actions speak louder than his words. I can say I'm pink, doesn't mean I am..just saying. Who is the biggest liars walking among us these days?? (cough, cough) Politicians-so there you go! I don't get too wrapped up with any of them these days, been burned too many times by their antic's, and that's why NOW I SPEAK UP AND OUT! Sit by the sidelines too long and too many of my rights have vanished by being "quiet". I'm sick of my money and I work 50-60 hours per week going for CRAP, and that's why I posted here in the first place, cause of this CRAP and time consuming resolution that has been tossed around, talked about, talked about some more, sit in committee's, been filed for at least 10 years..What do you want them to do for our state down at the capital the short time they are there? I don't want to even pay for the electric bill they run up doing nothing, and that's ALL OF THEM!!

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Melinda Paris

10:49 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Pam, do you know who owns Progressive Insurance Co?? HHHMMM...A very prominent liberal that is also one of many trying to take our gun rights away?? Look it up..Another way to know what Progressive stands for. He has also purchased some gun manufacturer's here in this country, and He has closed them down and He gave MILLIONS to liberal campaigns--so I posted about the word in this post, which was replying to another poster--so thought I would give you so more junk to chew on, even though I was trying to stay on subject. Now, I'm sure next post will be from the "other side" yacking about staying on subject, I've tried.

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A.C.

11:00 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

If the mayor wants to hold a media conference and apologize on behalf to the Georgia State Government, let it happen. In fact, why don't we just go ahead and approve this, so we can move on. I would like to see our tax dollars go towards much more important things that are relevant to current issues. If this was a piece of legislature aimed at reducing current problems that today's minorities face, it wouldn't be so ridiculous. An apology is nothing but words, and words are meaningless without action. An apology from the government is not going to change anyone's mindset. It probably wouldn't even be an accurate reflection of the population. Meanwhile, we have a high unemployment rate, educational budget cuts, inefficient and understaffed government agencies, much needed road work, rising health care costs, a large homeless population, increasing crime rates, and many new versions of slavery in the U.S. alone (from immigrants who have been lured into slavery by false promises to wage slavery). Most of the time, I think our politicians are nothing more than actors, paid with tax dollars to keep U.S. citizens distracted from the more insidious and disturbing realities with hot button issues. If passing this legislation means that we can move on to something that will actually make a difference, then let it happen and stop wasting time and tax-payer money. Can we stop with the bread and circus attitude and move on to a useful and productive one already?

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Melinda Paris

11:05 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

I agree with 100% Ariel. What I've been "TRYING" to say for several days....I'm all for productivity that shows results!

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A.C.

11:47 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

A state-issued apology should not require legislation. Legislative activity should be reserved for active improvement and problem solving. Any worthwhile human being knows that slavery is wrong, and that the southern U.S. history of slavery was abhorrent. It's perfectly fine for the state government to issue an apology, but apologies shouldn't be so complicated that they have to be repeatedly discussed by a committee and voted on. I won't argue against passing the legislation, because it's obvious that this topic will continue to detract from other issues until is resolved through legislation. I'll just shake my head, and hope they decide to wrap this unnecessarily long and unproductive conversation up.

Duncan

11:56 am on Thursday, February 7, 2013

Also, (and quite aside from the silliness of expecting this generation to apologize for some atrocity committed by another generation 150 years ago which is a bit like expecting the Germans of today to constantly flagellate themselves for what that asshole of assholes Hitler and his bunch did to the Jewish folk), also, an apology would carry along with it certain legal problems leaving the state and/or federal government open for a lawsuit for damages once they acknowledge responsibility for past and by extension, present wrongs. I think that's probably something worthy of very REAL consideration as a terrific danger.

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Byron Rangitsch

12:39 pm on Thursday, February 7, 2013

Got it. The State of Georgia, which ratified the Constitution January 2, 1788 and legalized slavery until April 9, 1865, should NEVER EVER apologize.

What's the Statute of Limitations on State Sanctioned oppression again? I just want to know when Georgia missed the boat - no pun intended..

As for the Germans, the self-flagellation will end in 2015.
"Germany's response to its war crimes has been largely lauded by the former Allies. The Government of the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany until 1990) offered official apologies for Germany's role in the Holocaust. Additionally, German leaders have continuously expressed repentance, most notably when former Chancellor Willy Brandt fell on his knees in front of a Holocaust memorial in the Warsaw Ghetto, also known as the Warschauer Kniefall in 1970. Germany has also paid extensive reparations, including nearly $70 billion to the state of Israel. It has given $15 billion to Holocaust survivors and will continue to compensate them until 2015. Additionally, the government of Germany coordinated an effort to reach a settlement with German companies that had used slave labor during the war; the companies will pay $1.7 billion to victims. Germany also established a National Holocaust Memorial Museum in Berlin for looted property."

Duncan

12:55 pm on Thursday, February 7, 2013

Right you are..., for the slaughter of millions upon millions of folks within about a 15 year period plus untold billions worth of damages to property and lives in general, the Germans are getting off with 70 years of self-flagellation, whereas in the USA, we're somehow expected to apologize ad infinitum for sins aggregated by every nation in the world including Africa and Arabian countries, not to mention England and a few others. RIGHT !!! Yours is the same kind of argument that's used about immigrants who've made their way into this country without benefit of legal course; for whatever reason, America's immigration laws are totally ignored whereas if you tried the same thing in Mexico, Russia, China, Guatemala and countless other countries you'd probably never be seen or heard from again!!!

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Rob Adkerson

12:48 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I can tell you that probably none of the people in these comments who are opposed to this resolution have actually read the resolution. Before you jump me, please take 5 minutes to read my article on the truth of this Resolution.
http://buckhead.patch.com/articles/im-opposed-to-the-freedom-resolution-have-you-read-sr-28-well-no

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